You people need to stop.
Seriously.
I have listened as respectfully as possible for the last four years when you claimed that the President of the United States wasn’t actually from the United States. I let it slide when you called him a Socialist and a Communist, I laughed at you when you said Obama was coming to take away your guns despite no actual evidence to justify that claim. Secret Benghazi cover ups, fake concussions, I’ve rolled with the right-wing punches.
Let’s start with an easy one to debunk, shall we?
I generally do not give any type of attention or credibility to the “9/11 was an inside job” type conspiracy nuts but in this case we are talking about the Sandy Hook Massacre where 26 people (including 20 six and seven year olds) were brutally slaughtered by a lunatic. This is NOT a column on gun control – I’ve written extensively about that topic and my only real hope is that as a country there still remains the possibility of a meaningful gun debate.
That is of course if the government stops organizing mass murders to push their agenda to strip away the Second Amendment.
Several of my friends on Facebook (People that I generally consider to be bright, insightful people) shared a video that examines a bunch of theories about the “real” story behind the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary. Using the Glenn Beck “Hey, I’m just asking questions!” model of journalistic integrity seems to be effective because millions of people have viewed this tripe and some actually give validation to this line of thinking. Here is the video:
And now, I must proceed to make each and every one of you who watched that video and entertained even a moment of doubt over the validity of 26 innocent people being murdered feel like gigantic insensitive assholes. I’m sorry that I have to be the one to do it, but I can’t have you walking around thinking that the victims of this tragedy do not deserve every bit of respect, sympathy, and prayers that we should all be offering them. This is not partisan, this is not politics, this is about being human beings and for a moment putting ourselves in the shoes of a mother or father who had to identify the body of their six year old son with half of his face shot off. (Link to Interview with David and Francine Wheeler, who lost their son Ben in the shooting.)
We all know the story, on to the ripping conspiracy theories to shreds. I’ll try to go in order through this terrible video:
Conspiracy Theory #1 – Multiple Shooters
We will start nice and slow here. The explanation here is simple – the second man is Chris Manfredonia, who was briefly detained by police when they arrived to secure the crime scene. He’s actually the father of a student at Sandy Hook. Once the “suspect” was identified and no evidence of him being involved in the shooting could be found, he was released. Believe it or not, this is pretty routine when investigating a crime. It doesn’t represent multiple gunmen, or some massive coordinated attack – It just was a concerned parent trying to check on his child. We aren’t supposed to believe that the man doesn’t exist, we are supposed to believe that he was identified as Chris Manfredonia and was released after questioning. Also, he liked baking gingerbread houses with his wife and daughter, which is why he was at the school. (article)
Conspiracy Theory #2 – What Guns Were Used?
I’m not sure why it matters except to gun-nuts but this one is also pretty easy. In the competitive media environment outlets are always trying to be the first one to have the “scoop” on a story. However (and you Benghazi nuts will love this point) as an investigation continues, often more accurate and complete information is available. The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. Right after the story broke there were grainy videos of police pulling a gun out of the shooter’s car that they tried to identify as the AR-15 (it was the shotgun, per police reports) and autopsy and police reports afterwards found that again, the primary weapon used in the massacre was the Bushmaster AR-15. The shooter did take his own life with one of the pistols that he also brought into the school. If you don’t believe that media outlets can sometimes have inaccurate information at the beginning of breaking news, ask Ryan Lanza if he thinks it is possible or better yet, ask President Gore. There were not 4 handguns, there were 2 and the segment ends with the medical examiner verifying the autopsy report that the rifle was the weapon used in the killings.
On a sidenote: The “conspiracy” that this is some effort to get the Assault Weapons Ban re-instituted? Let me hit you with THIS COUNTER-CONSPIRACY THEORY. The Sandy Hook Shootings were organized by the NRA and Wal-Mart to create record gun sales in the past month.
Conspiracy Theory #3 – Where are the Survivors?
This is where you should REALLY start to feel sick to your stomach. It’s a conspiracy that 6 year olds trapped in a classroom didn’t do a better job of surviving a gunman firing a semi-automatic weapon at them in confined, closed quarters? Really – pause for a second just to feel bad about such a sad, disgusting thought entering your brain – even for a second.
Conspiracy Theory #4 – Nancy Lanza’s Employment at Sandy Hook
The media screwed the pooch on this one. From further investigation (You know, to get those pesky facts!) it appears as though at the time that her son shot her in the head four times en route to Sandy Hook that she was not employed, and was collecting somewhere around $250,000 a year in alimony from her ex-husband. I’m shocked that the traumatized nurse didn’t answer the reporter’s question accurately minutes after fleeing from a gunman. She must also work for the government.
Conspiracy Theory #5 – Emilie Parker and “How to Grieve”
I pray none of you reading this have ever had to bury your child. Regardless, you do not need a degree in psychology to realize that people grieve differently. Furthermore, public speaking is scary for a lot of individuals and PERHAPS having to focus on his recently deceased child caused Mr. Parker’s mood to change. To “smell BS” in regards to a dead child is pretty deplorable. Yes, this is another moment where you can pause and feel bad for doubting that this man lost his daughter.
Now to the Facebook “timestamp” issue. Look, we all use Facebook: Does it always work EXACTLY right for you? My timeline disappeared for a whole week. Sometimes posts do not show up, it’s certainly not an exact science – Or a science at all. (I’m sure I’ll talk more about web searches in a bit, so let’s move on.)
Conspiracy Theory #5a -Emilie Impersonates Jesus in Picture with President Obama.
This is going to strike those of you without children as weird but believe it or not, sometimes parents give what they call “hand me down” clothing to a younger child. It saves money, and often 6 year olds aren’t TOO concerned with the latest fashion. The fact that the video guy outright claims that Emilie is not dead is disgusting.
Here’s another picture from that photo shoot that isn’t the one the conspiracy nuts are using:
And now here is a family picture where you shockingly see that Emilie’s little sister looks kinda like her, eh?
Are you starting to feel silly? By now, you should.
Conspiracy Theory #6 – Gene Rosen
Again, it’s pretty sick that a man affected by this shooting is being attacked and demonized by the tinfoil hat wearing community. It’s an interview with an emotional guy for television, it’s NOT a sworn deposition. I guess if there is anything to take away from this, it’s that you should never trust a grown man who owns cats. (Article)
Also, he’s really an actor, anyway.
Conspiracy Theory #7 – Medical Examiner
This might be news to you but oftentimes people who have jobs where they primarily deal with dead people generally may not have the best social or public speaking skills. The medical examiner is weird, absolutely. If you listen to what he actually says, there is nothing that is inconsistent or “fishy” beyond people still trying to pretend that the gun pulled out of the trunk of the car was the AR-15 and NOT the shotgun, as all credible reports conclude. Is the best you can do “Hey, that socially awkward guy… He just seems weird.” and that somehow signifies a cover-up? If they were hiring actors, you’d think they’d find a GOOD one.
No description of screams of terror or people running around? Yup you guessed it – You should feel bad about this part, too. There should have been more children running around, and less teachers locking their doors and shielding them and hiding them the best that they could. Solid theory. PS – They don’t often release 600 kids into the parking lot after a crime scene. For my teacher friends out there, I believe they call this “locking down” the school. So we are to believe that there are NO police or EMT’s inside the school checking on the status of the children? On a sidenote, I’d like to congratulate you all on watching enough episodes of CSI to know how a crime scene is supposed to look at a mass shooting.
Conspiracy Theory #8 – International Cover-Up
By now even the most skeptical among you should have your bullshit meter flashing pretty brightly. If you believe that FEMA death camps exist and they just so happened to be that very area and just so happened to bio-terror-kill a bunch of kids, maybe this isn’t the country for you? I can’t believe that government organizations run drills to be better prepared in the case of crisis! We just airlift our troops to Afghanistan and wish them the best, right? And how DARE they pay special attention to the unique needs of children in disasters!? Government agencies exist in Connecticut, and within 20 miles of a school? It MUST be part of the cover up!
Conspiracy Theory #9 – Websites Created Before Massacre
Here’s the bad thing about the Internet wrapped up in a grand finale: 30 years ago when crazy people had crackpot theories that didn’t seem to jive with reality they were generally that weird guy who smelled kind of funny sitting at the corner of the bar. Nobody really paid him attention, because they knew he was insane while he rambled on about the moon landing being staged. Now, these loons can find like-minded loons and all of the sudden, this video has 8 million hits on it and reasonable people begin to doubt the very foundation of humanity.
Google (and Facebook) timestamps are incredibly inaccurate, especially when dealing with pages that use dynamic content – what we mean by this is the dates next to the search results do not accurately reflect the date that webpage was created. The easiest way to debunk this theory is to test it yourself. Go to Google and type in “Sandy Hook Massacre” and used Google’s Advanced Search to search only between the dates Jan 1 2012 and Dec 10 2012. Too lazy to do all that high-level tech stuff? I’ve got you covered.
So there you have it. My hope is that you look at this in a rational, logical manner and take the Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting for what it was: A senseless act a violence committed by a mentally disturbed person. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s not a government cover-up, and it’s not an excuse for our politicians to start invoking Martial Law or to come and try to disarm all Americans. It is a tragedy, and treating it as anything else diminishes the magnitude of the event, and tarnishes the memory of the teachers and children who were murdered. Let’s stop giving these crackpots any attention, and focus on trying to make things better for our children, and all children.
Let’s be better Americans.
-Sean Kemmerer is a freelance writer, administrator of Politics Without The Crazy Pills, can be followed @Walkofshameband and believes that if you think Sandy Hook is fake, you must think professional wrestling is real.
Thank you.
If by some small chance the conspiracy nuts are right wouldn’t you want to know?
Staci – Have you ever had a friend who always seems to find SOMETHING wrong with the guy she’s dating? She’ll go through his phone and find a text from an ex girlfriend or something and turn it into a major confrontation.
Do reasonable people think that the government (or anyone, for that matter) is always 100% truthful and 100% transparent? Of course not.
You can always find SOMETHING and tell yourself that it doesn’t seem right to you – But is that REALLY how you want to go through your life?
Your argument is basically “Well, what if the Earth really was flat and the overwhelming evidence saying it’s not was wrong… Wouldn’t you want to know?”
I hope for your sake you don’t think the Earth is 6,000 years old.
OMG, Staci, Really?
Yes, thank you.
I see the vid maker assures us it doesn’t contain ‘holigrams’. That’s OK then – would hate for anything to undermine their credybility.
Repeat After Me ” I believe EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS AND THE MEDIA REPORTS”
Repeat after me, Ralph: I BELIEVE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT SAYS AND THE MEDIA REPORTS. THE EARTH MUST THEREFORE BE FLAT AND THE SUN GOES AROUND THE EARTH.”
Thank you and I appreciate you taking them on and trying to put this to rest. But, just know…these people will not stop. They walk among us. Frightening…
Bravo!
Conspiracy nuts point to the father of a victim laughing at a press conference,please explain to them that he is not acting.
Dan – That is addressed in #5. People grieve differently. To point to a moment where a parent is trying to put on a brave face before having to focus on the serious task of talking about their recently killed child is disgusting.
If the best the nuts can come up with is that a dad smiled, or a medical examiner is a bit eccentric – Well I guess that tells us all that we need to know.
One guy I’m arguing with wants to know about the guy in the woods who was running. What should I tell him?
Steve, if he doesn’t understand why someone might be running away from the scene of a shooting, then I don’t think there’s much you can tell him.
These Sandy Truthers are the lowest common denominator. They’ll make up anything so they can keep the unfettered right to continue their hobby of playing Rambo on the weekends with their assault penis replacements.
Imagine losing your child (or spouse, brother, sister, parent) so brutally and having people say it didn’t happen or it was a staged hoax. If they want to call me a ‘hater’ for hating them? I wear that label with pride.
He was mentally ill, not a lunatic. Are you a shrink?
I am actually pursuing my PhD in Psychology, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to claim that “non-lunatics” don’t generally start blowing away 6 year olds. I’m disappointed that your take away from the column is semantics over how deranged the shooter was.
Thank you
One of my friends has totally bought into that disgusting video. I seriously wanted to punch a friend of hers in the mouth for putting such utter stupidity in her head. I hope posting this on my timeline will make her rethink her position but I doubt it.
First off – Thanks for reading, and thanks for sharing this on your Facebook.
I’m pleased to say that a handful of people have already posted positive comments about the effect this column has had on their crazy friends – So there are some rational people out there! It’s not necessarily a bad thing to question what we hear or see in the news. What this proves though is that there is a line between logical thinking humans who crave more facts and information and crazy people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
You shouldn’t call someone an asshole for asking questions. Not everyone wants to blindly trust our media or our politicians. If something seems odd, we should trust our instincts. We should seek the truth in all matters. Without calling names. Thank you.
Asking questions – Totally valid and reasonable
Not believing that a six year old girl really got shot to death in a massacre because you feel there is a conspiracy (WTF HER DAD SMILED FOR A SECOND!) – You are an asshole
Hi Buffy/Buffi……..would recognize you anywhere……smh
Question with boldness
didn’t change my mind about a damn thing.
Drow unfortunately in our society people can still believe what they want despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. For the last 30 years, countless people have committed suicide because they were CONVINCED that the world was about to end. I doubt I’d change their minds, either.
youre the one who is ignoring a mountain of evidence spugy.
Well, such a compelling and thoughtful comment – It’s hard to argue.
Specifically WHAT “evidence” is being ignored? Ballistic reports? Police reports? Coroner? Survivor testimony?
We are talking about a blog, citing a website called genealogy.com that is in no way credible or affiliated with anybody in Sandy Hook. Oh wait – The thousands of people, police, officials, the entire school, parents, other students, etc are all part of the conspiracy, right?
I want to thank you for posting this.
“you didn’t change my mind, so stop trying to use facts and evidence to convince me! it won’t work!”
Stop using facts and evidence to convince you? I guess only conspiracies and blatant lies will work for you.
Thank you so much for this. I was particularly disgusted by the video-makers attitude that he knows exactly how EVERY person would react, both physically and emotionally, in such a situation. He seems to know nothing of the vast array of reactions that come up (lucky him, huh?). Perfect rebuttal.
I was unfriended this morning because I called out someone who posted that video on my wall (not shared it and it was in my news feed, but on my wall!). I’m sad that she has become so unstable that she believes whatever she reads on the internet. Over the past couple of months, her theories have gotten crazier and crazier. I’m sad for the community who has lost all these beautiful people. I am sad for humanity because these children, and so many other victims, are being USED by the NRA and those who perpetuate these stories. I am sad for me. I love my friend and I will miss having her in my life. I wish that I knew how her mind became so disconnected from reality. Thank you for this article. It helps…a little.
I’m sorry! But what is sad, is that you feel that someone who thinks outside of the box and refuses to be brainwashed by the powers that be is the one that is disconnected from reality.
Trading blind faith in one source (the government or mainstream media) in exchange for blind faith in another source (the “conspiracy” community as it is currently evolving on Youtube and elsewhere) is nothing to be proud of. At one point in my life, as editor in chief of The Daily Dirt between 1998 and 2006, I conducted in depth investigations into REAL conspiracies (the theft of elections, the conning of America into a war of first resort with Iraq, etc), yet what I witnessed in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy has me despairing for the sanity of a great many people. Be critical, sure… skeptical even. But for pity’s sake. It seems as though many people are losing their faith in the reality of reality, itself these days!
After seeing the video, I picked it apart in much the way you did, especially about the grieving process. Thank you very much for taking the time to articulate your points about it
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P.S. I’m also pursuing my Ph.D. in psych. Good luck!
oh wow look, we have two different sides to a story. LETS ALL ARGUE ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND PRETEND WE ALL KNOW THE REAL TRUTH AND CALL THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU ASSHOLES! YEEEYYY
He didn’t call someone who merely disagreed with him an asshole.He pointed out that you have to be a special kind of asshole to believe that conspiracy dreck…even with the very FACTS pointed out … To “disagree” is one thing…but to be so downright rabidly STUPID in the wake of TRUTH, yes, I would say you are every bit of an asshole.
Finding a logical reason to bring up another side to a story is one thing. Making up a side to a story by treating the ordinary as sinister and waving away mundane, obvious explanations in favor of a contrived story that you’ve made up is another thing.
When I’ve been at gatherings before and after funerals, they’ve been marked by casual chat among people catching up on each other’s lives, having conversations of the sort you have at any get-together, and this includes telling amusing stories or making jokes and, yes, laughing. So if someone were to observe one of these memorial gatherings and conclude from the occasional sounds of humor that the death must have been a hoax, and if that person were then to start posting Internet videos and demanding investigations into the supposed cover-up, we have someone who is not coming up with “another side to the story” but who is making up something out of nothing.
Julie — seriously, there is no second side to this story. A whole bunch of people, most of them little children, are dead. That’s the story. If you want the details then its simple, an insane twenty something year old shot his way into a school classroom through the window and killed them. He was armed with a semi-automatic assault rifle and 2 handguns. He had a shotgun locked in the trunk of the car he was driving. Eventually he shot himself. Some kids got out of the school, most were locked down with their teachers. One girl in the class (I believe) survived.
I’m sorry, my family has been here since the War with the Dutch, my grandfather many times removed died in the Revolutionary War, helping to buy our freedom – and seriously – those who have gone nuts since an African American president was first elected, and whose insanity now is fully on display as they try to explain away the death of little children as a “plot” by a man who, whether you like it or not, genuinely loves children, is more than sad or even pathetic. It is frightening. No offense to you, I”m sure you mean well – but I truly truly wish that those who are so disconnected from what America was meant to stand for — leave. Please.
Kind regards.
♥ this and thank you!
I can’t thank you enough.
I thought that a good portion of the video to be creatively edited to prove the desired point.
I can’t quite believe that this is even a discussion, but then, I always was an optimist when it comes to human nature.
In the video they provided us with actual video footage, pictures & websites to back up their statements… Here you give us your opinion! It may be hard to believe that the media, government & others would make up such a horrific event. Especially since they’ve got everyone so brainwashed. BUT I DO! If you can show me the proof to back up your statements, I may believe you too!!
Of Course, everyone else is brainwashed except the ones that believe this is as hoax. Always a classic in the paranoid community.
Sean provided the proof, you just seem too delusional to see it. How sad.
“The media” also provided actual video footage, pictures, and websites to back up their statements. As well as witness statements, results of police investigations, and professional insight to a degree that absolutely drowns out whatever the person who made the video has access to.
I find it really funny when conspiracy theorist yell about the media manipulating information but think some random guy on the internet couldn’t possibly be doing the very same thing.
Why don’t you just go visit that community, Jewel? Maybe your eyes would be opened to the REALITY of this tragedy.
I’d like to see the proof that you’re not a fucking idiot
Thank you for your post about this. I am part of a club that nobody wants to belong to…I am a parent who has grieved for my daughter ever since the day she died back in 1998. And ANY parent who loses one of their children by ANY means is thrown into a tailspin, and honestly, runs totally on autopilot for a time. When you throw something so sudden, so tragic, and so unimaginably horrific into the mix, that can only exacerbate it even more. There is a WHOLE range of emotions and affects that grieving parents display in the early times surrounding their loss, and there is really NO predictable pattern. Added even MORE to the mix is the fact that those parents were still digesting the fact that their beautiful children will be forever 6 and 7—if a person hasn’t even wrapped their head around their loss, how the hell can they even BEGIN to process it?! Hell, the whole nation is still trying to wrap its head around that horror, I can ONLY imagine what those parents feel. People just do not understand “grief”, let alone the special kind of hell that is grieving and burying your own child. That video just angered me so much….Mainly because it’s STUPID, but also because I saw it through the perspective of a parent who lost their child suddenly (not through violence).Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for being a voice of reason with your post
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Anyone who doesn’t think 9-11 was an inside job, either hasn’t studied the evidence or is a m midis information specialist! I think you have an inflated ego and fall into the later moronic category!
Or is someone who has watched the supposed “evidence” get debunked time and time again.
I also questioned 9/11 based on some of the testimony and “professional opinion” I’d seen. And then I did more research. Now, I just laugh at my momentary silliness.
right on Dave! This didnt change my mind one bit, if anything it made me believe the government was behind this even more! If the second person
was a father, why was he running???? Im a mom of 3 boys, I havent stopped crying since the initial coverage, i still have not seen one tear from one of these parents. I could not conduct an interview, even a month later and not shed a tear for my lost child. Everything is fishy about this entire situation…sorry if you think it makes me crazy! How did Gene Rossen(sp) not know what was going on in his neighborhood when his house was right down the street from the firehouse.,,He couldnt see the streets loaded with cars, media etc….he was just taking a stroll down his driveway when these random kids appeared at the end of his driveway. COmpletely oblivious to what was going on just down the street…HE IS THE WORST ACTOR OF ALL! Fist they were with a male, then a female, then a bus driver??? WTF?? So many questions!!!
If you watch some interviews with the Parkers they were crying yet everyone thinks they are actors so any emotion they show people are just going to say it’s acting when its not.
Your an idiot…
I meant to say you were an idiot, not jvn. Oops sorry
Well if you haven’t seen them crying, then they probably haven’t. Since you know them all personally and spent 8+ hours with them every day, right?
The only question is why are you such an fucking idiot?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
Neatly debunks the conspiracy theory. Why are people so paranoid about their government these days?
I am a mother of 2 beautiful 2 year old boys. I can’t tell you how much I hurt for these kids…and still do. I don’t think we can judge how other people react because we think that is not the way we would act. For 1, the circumstances in which these kids were killed were abnormal (to say the least). I don’t think anything in the world could have prepared these parents for this. The shock that they must have felt would eliminate any expectations of how someone should act. Also, the media did not show the whole interview of any of the parents. It’s a waste of “air time” to show you the parts where they were inconsolable. As for Emilie’s dad…he is not a public speaker (from what I gather). He was nervous as hell getting ready to speak in front of crap load of people and knowing that it would be seen by millions. He nervously laughed….it happens…even at funerals. If you truly put yourself in his shoes, I honestly believe that you will see that his reaction is completely plausible and probable.
Oh the irony…
Well-written, well said, Spiffy. No matter what anyone’s politics are, no matter who the President is, for someone to believe that our government would orchestrate a mass murder of children for any reason takes a massive lack of functioning brain cells.
For someone to completely deny the possibility that our government isn’t capable of such acts requires a mind that rejects anything that goes against their perception of reality. By the way, this name-calling makes you look more than a little egotistical.
Gary… why do you want this to be true so much? What do you win? Just curious as to what possible positive effect believing any of that nonsense could have.
Steve- I dont think anybody wants any “conspiracy” to be proven true. We’d all like to believe that Washington truly has its people’s interests at heart, but that’s not the case. The positive effect of finding definitive proof that our so-called “leaders” are misleading us is the first step toward a transparent and fair government. And that’s what the people deserve, that’s what our children and their children’s children deserve, don’t you think? Call us what you will, tin-foil hat wearing whack-jobs or whatnot. What remains is that people like me smell the bullshit and we’re tired of it. So maybe we don’t always get it right. I’m fine with that. Who is to say that you have it entirely right either? That’s why we have these discussions. Somewhere between our opposing viewpoints lies the truth and it’s time we figure this out.
I just don’t see the connection between “I don’t trust the government” and “the slaughter of 20 children didn’t really happen.” I don’t trust the government either, but that’s hardly sufficient evidence to disprove that this massacre didn’t occur.
YOU OBVIOUSLY believe the governments BS about 9/11…. Hell they “orchestrated” the deaths of over 2700 people. I guess your brain cells can not understand science or remember government lies…
911 (LIE)
WMD (LIE)
Wars (LIE)
No TAX increase (LIE)
John, you are a fucking moron. Please go kill yourself
most would say that our Govt. could never do anything like this….. I say use your brilliant intellect and research “OPERATION NORTHWOODS” most people have no idea and believe they are just the most righteous and cuddly teddy bears ever who cure all evils and wrong doings especially in “YOUR” presidents case!!!!!!!
and this was 50 years ago… imagine what they are capable of doing now
Hint: If you’re really trying to convince people to look at your point of view, spouting Fox News talking points aren’t going to help. It just makes you sound paranoid, not “educated”.
Bonus hint: Whether you voted for him or not, he’s everyone’s president. Just like Bush was mine even though I didn’t vote for him. That’s called “being American”.
I reaseached “fucking douche bag” and there was David.
I am so glad Tom Joad pointed out your posting. This video appears to have been done by a wackjob – I couldn’t even watch it after a minute or so because it was so ridiculous. Keep up the good work – I am glad to have found another sane poster along the same lines as Rusticus, Erick E and Tom Joad – Thank you
After making my comment I went back and read the comments made and I really enjoyed your rejoinders. Love your logic and common sense. Also I shared this on Facebook for my followers.
My question is this, where were the ambulances? I’ve worked an MCI (Mass Casualty Incident) before and the scene just didn’t seem appropriate to me. You can bash the people who question authority by calling us whatever you wish. But there are always multiple sides to any story and you, sir, represent just one. I don’t doubt for a second that many families suffered terrible losses and my heart goes out to each of them. I do, however, doubt anything I see broadcast on television or in the media. Anyone who doesn’t is a sheep asking to be led.
i don’t for a second doubt these kids are all dead but do question this whole thing… my advice look to the states websites that are holding full scale exercises by date and topic then sit back and wait for the next coincidence to occur… As I said before “OPERATION NORTHWOODS” https://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods&sa=U&ei=DTb3UM7hEIuk8AT1_4D4DA&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNH2lEne1Aaj36m-EvjIbNo8M44XUg
Again I agree with you!
Gary – You worked in MCI – Is it unreasonable to think that because of the media being prohibited from being close to the crime scene and limited footage available that they just didn’t film emergency personnel? Do you think that’s more feasible that NO EMT’s or rescue people going inside a building where multiple casualties were?
I mean, I could easily shoot a minute of film outside of Sandy Hook NOT showing an ambulance, but is it REALLY reasonable to believe that no medical help was there?
There would have been at least one Ambulance on-site. That’s what I’m saying
And what I’m saying is: Who reported that there were no ambulances there? Did a bunch of parents come out and ask? Did several news outlets mention it? Or… are we looking at one 30 second overhead video and using that as the definitive crisis response?
Again – I’m just asking what a logical, rational person would ask. If there were 20 children dead in a building and no emergency personnel attending to the situation, wouldn’t some of the hundreds of people on-site be talking about that, or is it more reasonable to think that EVERY SINGLE man, woman, and child at the crime scene is involved in the cover up?
You could be right, who knows when that particular video was captured? Sure, It very well could have been after all of the victims were transported. For all I know it could have been much sooner. I couldn’t find any information pertaining to when this footage was taken, If you come across anything I’d love to have a look.
You trust the media too much, i feel. Let me ask you this, as a skeptical and logical person; is it completely out of the realm of possibility that an institution as large as our government, with the resources it has at its disposal, is incapable of such a cover-up?
I just love these comments “well *I* didn’t see any video of EMTs/crying parents/the shooter’s weapons, so they must not have been there.”
Gary… you are too paranoid to live. Please go kill yourself.
Quite simply, thank you.
You have a rude awakening coming. Who do you get your paycheck from? Obama himself? I find your explanations to all the blatant lies of this event almost laughable.
Clear proof that the massive cuts in mental health care have doomed this country.
HAHA…Same here!
Kelly. you are the stupidest fucking moron who ever wasted oxygen. Please go kill yourself asap.
Man, I really wanted to like this (because you bring up some good points)…but then you called “truthers” tinfoil wearing hat people. Like what the fuck? I’m labeled a quack? because I notice something fishy about the parents, especially that Robbie Parker? I wanted some valid points! How about discuss the ridiculous amounts of photoshopped pictures from the Sandy Hook scene and SUPER photoshopped headshots/family shots of Sandy hook families. Talk about weird.
But seriously, why does every debunker resort to name calling? You’re no good than these people you call crazy hoaxers.
Yes Rebecca ,These are good points , then he minimizes you for questioning , this is exactly the kind of reporting we get .Not the facts just a biased left view. Its for our own good I’m sure.
The problem, Rebecca, is that you are in fact, a quack. You notice something that you think is “fishy” ??? How about our government deciding that they need to kill a bunch of 5 year olds? Which is more “fishy” Please, make this country a better place. Go kill yourself.
“GO KILL YOURSELF” ? Is that the best you can come up with RON? REALLY ? Just because you dont like what YOU hear, it’s go kill yourself ? who’s the fucking moron ? Sounds like you are from every answer you throw in.
Rebecca, if you don’t want to be ridiculed, don’t be ridiculous.
This is an actual question but I am wondering why people are saying the pictures of so many of the kids are photo shopped?
Thank you so much for this! I haven’t believed their rediculous acquisitions, but this is just the wake up, smack to the face that these sik people need! These parents have been through enough. And to say the parents, “couldn’t see the children’s bodies”! Really?! Because I am sure they all were just wanting to see that! And as far as that little clip with Robbie Parker laughing,,,,,someone might have said something about his daughter that brought back a sweet memory?! People never cease to amaze me.
You are a journalist ,I see theres no biased on your part to the left.There are more questions and no one is saying these beautiful children didn’t die . Open you mind and question with boldness .From the first call to 911 there should have been ambulances all over the place .
Exactly! Even if they were running transport, there would have been at least one on-scene as the first responders are tasked with triage.
Who did all these cars belong to that were blocking the school entrance. My kids schools don’t look like that. No one blocks the way to the front door like that, emergency crew could not enter, what’s up with that? If medical help was there to check the children, I didn’t see it on the news.
Mechele… don’t be such a moron. If there was no medical help, THAT would have been ALL over the news. You are embarrassing all people with a brain.
Who says there wasn’t? Just because the video shows you a minute or so of coverage of the school grounds does not mean that it was taken at the time when 911 was called. Did you notice that the video failed to show you a time stamp for their footage? And the person who they show being taken away by ambulance…they want you to believe that it is a victim that had to walk (or be carried) all that way to the ambulance. I didn’t see any blood on that person. How do we know that the person on the stretcher was not a parent/family of one of the victims having a panic attack or something. The video shows us very vague images and he leaves it up to us to let our imaginations run wild. Lets face it, no one loves the government. I, for one, hate that i have to give so much up because our government has their heads up their asses, but this tragedy was not their doing.
Show all these conspiracy nuts the horrible photos at Sandy Hook and see if they still make their inane comments.
They will. Anyone who can look at this situation and only fear for their continued ownership of their penis extenders isn’t a human capable of compassion. So seeing a couple dead children isn’t going to do anything to them emotionally.
Thank you so much, I was beginning to think everyone was going nuts….. Still not reassuring that so many buy this conspiracy theory, but thank you!
One question about the AR-15. The shooter never left the building after he entered it, how did the weapon used to shoot so many people wind up in the trunk of his car? It should have been in the same room with the shooter’s body, not in the trunk of his car.
Not that I’m particularly concerned about this shooting, as I participated in false flag operations back in the 70s, blowing up minor infrastructure (that needed replacing anyway) and leaving Russian ammo brass and cigarette butts laying around the crime scene to make the locals think “Communist infiltrators” were out to destroy their country. The brass was from a cache captured by the Israelis during the 6-Day war, about 50K rounds were sent to the US. I have no idea how the Russian cigarettes were obtained, I assume from people at the US embassy in Moskow buying locally.
He answered your question twice in the post. But I guess actually reading something you’re going to comment on would just seem silly.
Police reports clearly state that the SHOTGUN was removed from the car. Not the rifle.
You see that is part of the problem because media reports are (still) that the AR-15 was removed from the car. Also I’m not a conspiracy kook, but changing stories about things like this make me twitch. As well as the shooter in this case being the son of someone heavily involved in the LIBOR scandal, and so was the shooter in the Aurora CO shooting. Once is co-incidence, twice is suspicious. If there is a third, then my alarms will go off.
This is factually inaccurate, Opus. What you are probably seeing is “truther” sites who will continue to link the same stories in the media that were coming out on December 15th that had misinformation in there (number of guns used, AR-15 in the trunk instead of the shotgun, etc)
For example – This article dated Jan 15th raises the question of inconsistencies in reporting. However, the NBC link that they include is from within 24 hoursof the story. NBC has since corrected the report to where it lines up with ballistic reports, the coroner, medical examiner, eyewitness reports, and the police.
It’s not a conspiracy – It’s just an example of the media screwing up details in an effort to “scoop” the story. They do it all of the time: Ask Al Gore how he felt about winning the 2000 Presidential Election.
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I appreciate someone feeling concerned about others questioning such a tragedy. If you look at most of the people who are “investigating” it, you will find that none have denied that it happened and many share that this is a true tragedy. Just as you post this “disarming” of the conspiracy, many have that same right to question it. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I certainly believe in free speech and the older I get the more I believe there is nothing wrong with questioning. Not questioning says you have full faith in our government which is run by normal human beings and how many of those do we trust? Questioning anything starts a discussion or debate which is important. It’s how this country is run and it is how this country will stay as free as it allows us to be. Stop judging people because they question something, it does not mean they are heartless, it simply means they are interested. Considering the fallout of gun ownership after this happened without much discussion of our Constitution, I understand why some may question an effort to push an agenda. I think we live in a world, or country for that matter that finds it hard to believe someone could have such a conspiracy and yet, most of us lie everyday. Maybe it’s small, maybe it’s why we got to work late or couldn’t pay a bill on time. Nevertheless it is a lie just on a smaller scale. If one had the resources, what else might they lie about. To live in a cocoon and think all is well and right in the world is the true conspiracy. Nevertheless, a “conspiracy theorist” who debunks some information about vimeo video and time stamps. Amazing that they actually seek truth in what others are saying. http://theperiledsea.ning.com/profiles/blogs/sandy-hook-joseph-ametrano
The girl in the current picture with Obama has the same cowlick as Emilie. Madeline has a completely different cowlick. Looks like the same girl to me.
So, you’re going to call conspiracy over a hairstyle? as if nobody has ever changed the hairstyle they wear, let alone their childs? keep in mind, also, these pictures weren’t taken the same day, month, or even year!
It’s not the hair style I am questioning. You might want to look up what a cowlick is before responding. Most people have a cowlick on the top of their head towards the back (ex: Madeline). Emilie has one right in the front of her head which causes her hair to part that way naturally. It is identical in both pictures.
Trust me, I know what a “cowlick” is. The truth is, I’ve been defending my friends since the day this tragedy happened, and your response is about as ridiculous as they come. There are many factors that can cause things in photographs to look a certain way. You know, things like lighting, angle, etc. I am friends with the best friend of the Parker family. Sweet Emilie’s funeral was in my town. I can honestly tell you that poor little innocent girl is gone. How would you feel if your precious baby was brutally murdered, and then I called you a liar, or an actor because you didn’t grieve the way I saw fit? Or, if I tried to point out ridiculous things like an effing “cowlick”? Take a moment and let that sink in. Think about how absurd and crushing your words can be.
Tara… are you THAT gullible, or are you just a moron? Ask a friend to beat the Stupid out of you.
Thanks for putting this together. I am a long time friend of the woman who started the Emilie Parker Fund memorial page on Facebook. I can’t even begin to tell you how many email messages I have sent to “truthers” calling her and the Parker family criminals and liars. Not one of which had ever been returned. When she posted that Robbie had to remove the page I was sickened. The thought that people that walk among us could be so terrible to one another, especially when it involves the death of one’s beautiful innocent baby, really worried me. Unfortunately, most of these conspiracy cowards, the ones that don’t even have the balls to respond to your emails to try to prove their ridiculous points when a random person comes out of the blue and sets them straight, will always exist. But, articles like this, and fighting back by having their insane videos pulled from YouTube will help silence them! Thank you again for posting this article, I have tweeted and reposted it on Facebook. I pray that none of my friends/ followers need it, but, you never know?
ps, I was made aware of this article by my friend Brooke. The woman responsible for the memorial page, who tragically, was forced to change her name on Facebook because of these nuts calling her home!
Question about the multiple shooters: Chris Manfredonia was handcuffed and waiting in the front of the police car. Who was the guy running through the woods?
According to the Newtown Bee, it was an off-duty tactical officer from another community.
Have said it and will say it again, these conspiring nut jobs ask people to prove them wrong and when you do, they deny it. They think you tube and hollywood gossip is more informative then CNN and fox. You give them an explanation and like a child they run from it and call you a sheep…. really? This proves it for me, but then I didn’t think in the first place that the government turned a whole town including a school into actors and actresses and like a soap opera killed off people only for its political gain. How crazy is that idea? I would think… no hope that normal people would be turned off by such a ludicrous idea, but nope! I guess you just can’t have civilization without the weak minded as well right!
Well, they’re right about Fox. Just about anything is more informative than a propaganda channel.
To me, the tack to take isn’t to prove them wrong, it’s to make them prove what they say is right. They’re the ones making the accusations. The burden of proof is on them.
As you are probably aware, I’m past the point where I can do anything but scream at them. This kind of callous disregard for the feelings of those suffering the worst loss possible is beyond my ability to tolerate. I consider these people to be scum, and wish that they’d consider doing society a favor by removing themselves from it on a permanent basis.
That our society has denigrated to the point that people actually believe that there is a conspiracy in relation to this matter sickens, disgusts, and frightens me.
Degenerated…not denigrated.
Thank you for that assessment.
Maybe on lot of peoples part they would rather this be a conspiracy or pray that it is in hoping the kids and other victims are still alive,,,and being we are all decieved so much as kids and adults by the medias mistakes i can see how a video of this nature could put doubt in peoples mind,,,the truth is this world has gone to hell and fast and is hard to believe anyone or any tragic or great event anymore,,,you know i dont fault the old lady on phone for getting scammed and losing everything as i blame the caller,,,this is a great post to show people they are being scammed,,,please dont fault all for being decieved,fault the conspires!!!,r.i.p sandy hook
d woman who gets scammed on the phone for losing everything but i do the scam
I am thankful that you took the time to research and post this. I am saddened that it had to be done. I am happy that there are more people with the ability to reason than not.
Eloquently done. Thank you. I have been deeply saddened by the way in which the conspiracy theorists have demeaned and belittled this tragedy.
Thank you. I was called a ton of names the other day disproving these conspiracy nuts. Fucking assholes.
I have never heard such a horrible my 72 years what scares me who are the people who make up these lies they are more dangereous and will commit crimes that have tdo with murder in a big way they are terrorists. but they willnot give their lives buttake ours.
I have not personally bought into or even studied a conspiracy theory concerning Sandy Hook. I have not watched the video on this post. It does occur to me, in light of what has happened in other countries, however, that we should not react with anger to one another, but be willing to listen to others who have concerns. While we should never jump to conclusions or accuse unjustly, we should never say that we will not consider the possibility of a government conspiracy. We must pray that our governing officials will never do such a thing and that God will deliver us from such evil.
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blauschwitz9.htm,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_children_in_the_Holocaust#Numbers_killed,
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/holocaust.html
Pray for our leaders and our country.
After having a conversation with the hubby about this yesterday I can’t wait until he reads this!! Thank you! It just breaks my heart that there are people out there that think this stuff up about this horrible tragedy and it angers me that there are sooo many people who actually believe the b.s.
Good article but I’m afraid it’s the sort of thing that really won’t register with the people that need it most, am reminded of the fact that apparently almost 30% of Americans still believe the 1969 lunar landing was a hoax.
SCAB says:
Thanks, I have recommended your site to every Jerry Springer nut I have the misfortune of working with, including my superiors. I am bewildered by the reality that I have to return to work tomorrow with these highly educated, yet confused idiots.
Pretty good stuff…
Let’s see you debunk the Architectects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth science/physics issues with the 911….
Betcha can’t!!!!
even if the conspiracy is wrong. the government has been involved in many before this…iran contra, Watergate…or how about that one when they give a crap ton of guns to Mexican drug cartels-fast and furious scandal. you people really think we’re in the hands of people don’t tell bold face lies to get what they want on the regular? yall need to quite denying the truth about the world you live in…IT’S OKAY TO QUESTION THE OFFICIAL STORY!!! NEVER FORGET THAT
Brittany, you are far too stupid to be wasting our perfectly good oxygen. Please go kill yourself
Your a dumb ass. Look more and past that. I did. Funny your pic of the family has the same kids as the pic with the prez. Not to mention the car the “rifle” was found in belongs to a Christopher A. Brovia. A father to a student at the school.
Daryl, YOU’RE the dumb one. Do you not even know basic English? As I’ve stated previously, the Parker family is from my hometown. They’re sweet, innocent baby girl is gone. G. O. N. E. I can attest to and assure you of that! Have some decency! My poor friends have been through enough than to have to deal with freaks like you. I pray you never lose a child and have to endure this kind of malice and hatre, then again, it will serve you right. YOU’RE pathetic.
People, are the insults really nessecary!? This is an adult conversation, why must we bicker like children? Sure we’re angry at each other, but civil discussion still has it’s place among angry voices.It’s how adults solve problems. spatdon, I understand your pain, and that of your community; My heart goes out to all of the families and I hope I never have to bury a child. Please understand, most of us are trying to make sense of this from halfway across the country. Can’t we be patient with our peers, our brothers and our sisters? Or have the telescreens taught us to be abrasive, ignorant pricks toward one another?
with all due respect, don’t try to pretend you know anything about what we’re going through. It’s because of people like Darrell that my poor friends have had to remove Emilie’s memorial page, and others have had to change their names on Facebook to avoid harassing phone calls. I’ve written countless emails and messages to people regarding this horrific tragedy. Although the amount of love and support is astonishing, the amount of naivety and utter ignorance is far too great to be ignored. so, excuse me for expressing emotion toward individuals whom I feel need to be spoken to in a way that will get their attention. I will not apologize, as I have never received one from any of them. they don’t even have the gall to respond to me. I will defend my friends forever! the rest of you can question whatever you want, but have
have some respect for our poor children.
Pretense and empathy are completely different. I’ve seen people lose their children and I’m hard-pressed to find anything in this world worse than that. I understand, without pretense. It’s unfortunate that our population contains so many ignorant people, but they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. We have to deal with them patiently. The sad thing is that things like this tend to attract some of the worst kinds of attention to communities. Strength and solidarity to you and your friends. Keep spreading the word and by all means keep defending your friends!! If you do so in a positive fashion you’ll find your works reach further. That’s all I’m saying.
I understand your point. It’s just exhausting, and at times the angry emotion boils over. I appreciate your empathy. God bless.
I appreciate both of your points. But Darrell is still a fucking idiot.
I believe it happened and my deepest sympathy to the families. I can also see that is the sister, not Emilie in the picture. I did however listen to the polive scanner and clearly heard end Adam’s life. So I doubt things happened exactly as reported. Please don’t get me wrong he needed to be stopped and the police had to do it. Just be honest with the public about the details and there will be less confusion. CNN reported in the beginning that Ryan Lanza went to the school to kill his mother a kindergarten teacher and then killed her class. They also reported the shooter killed his father and the shooter’s girlfriend was missing. They also reported the shooter was at the school the day before arguing with the principal. These were not tinfoil head conspiracy theorist saying these things, it was CNN! Give the public the truth and there will be less conspiracy theories!
Thank you. I shall refer to your page and research whenever necessary.
Some of the blame does need to be directed to CNN for misrepresenting and distorting the facts when the story broke. When someone who calls themselves a Sandy Hook Truther, and they put a video on you tube, and it is viewed by 11 million people and half those people believe it to be true , that should be a red flag to the media that they have lost their credibility. CNN is to blame for this mass confusion and for lying and misrepresenting the facts when the story broke. When they are pointing the fingers at the public calling them out for asking questiins, please know their are ten fingers pointing back at you CNN. You guys distorted the facts in the Caylee Anthony case and caused mass confusion in that story as well. Be more responsible and I bet there will be less doubt in the minds of the public!
Diana,
News gathering is a very inexact science. Even in everyday things like a car accident or a bar fight, if you ask five people who witnessed it what happened, you’ll get five different stories.
In an event like the Sandy Hook shootings, the situation is very chaotic and very confusing. There are always going to be a lot of rumors and less-than-accurate accounts of what happened that need to be corrected later.
A century ago, when all we had were newspapers, reporters could be wrong about stuff all day in the newsroom as long as they got it right by the time the presses rolled. The early, inaccurate information never saw the light of day because the reporters had time to check things out.
They don’t have that luxury anymore. We’re learning about these things as the reporters are writing them down in their notebooks.
There’s no intent to deceive. It’s just one of the hazards of a world where we learn about major events as they happen.
Sorry for the typo… It should have said “there are ten fingers pointing back at CNN.
Actually, it’s just as stupid both ways. You mean THREE fingers, I suspect, seeing as one is pointed away, and the other is a thumb.
It’s quite a shame your, “double degreed” brain didn’t learn any common sense. Those people you’re speaking about are my friends. You can read my previous posts about that. And if it weren’t for people like you, Emilie’s memorial page would still be up, where you would be able to view all the photos of her grieving parents, friends, and family your twisted heart desired. You could also view photos of the SLC International Airport Tarmac where the Employees lined up to pay their respects when her body was taken off the plane. You would see a lot. Unfortunately, because of so many people like you, tearing into my poor friends like rabid dogs they took the page down to in an attempt to preserve any amount of kindness and decency that was given to them.
This little bit of one persons reasoning doesn’t clear anything up for me !!! Where were all the children ? We only saw a few ! 600 in the school ! Why was the only road going in & out of the school blocked by cars , no emergency vehicle could get by ! How could a 120 boy carry all the guns & ammo into the school without help ? They say he got in by somehow breaking a window , where is the broken glass ? The front of the school didn’t show any in any live coverage ! If there was broken glass the police said the broke it to enter ! so how did this one boy get in? Where are the videos of inside the school during the shooting ? How in the hell did one boy pull this off , changing clips , firing over hundreds of shoots without his guns jamming once ? Why didn’t that crazy old man with the 5 different stories call the police ? Why was there only one call into the police ? Why did the police & the military not keep out whoever decided to drive in & park where ever they wanted ? I mean there was a shooting going on right ?!?! Everyone should have been kept back !! I want to see the actually video of these murders , not for the blood & guts , for 100% proof ! Why won’t they show us ? When did they take the bodies out of the school ? Media whores get off on that crap , but not one photo or video ! I have a lot more questions ? I’m not saying children did not loose their little lives , but good got this to me does not add up ! JS
Can you please clear up my questions below please !!! Thank you
Rhonda,
Most of what you asked was addressed in the column. If you are skeptical because you somehow didn’t see a picture of a shattered window among the carnage of 26 dead bodies, I’m not sure what would “convince” you of reality.
Where are the videos of INSIDE the school? Do you have even a basic understanding of how a crime scene is processed? People STILL aren’t allowed in there a month later, let alone right after a mass murder.
And I’m just going to quote you here because quite frankly I don’t have any issue addressing your questions but this:
” I want to see the actually video of these murders , not for the blood & guts , for 100% proof ! Why won’t they show us ? When did they take the bodies out of the school ? Media whores get off on that crap , but not one photo or video !”
I’m not even going to comment. I just want everyone to see this statement AGAIN where you DEMAND to see video and photos of six year old children ripped apart by multiple bullets. That’s all, I just want to repeat what YOU want.
i beleve what rhonda wants, could have been asked in a better less goreistic way, however , your post did not answer here other questions eigther. i have worked triage for the last 25 years and i can say that if(and i’m not saying it did’nt)it happened, there would have been emergency crews,ambulances,emt, atf,fbi members present(not just two or three officers walking around)at the school. i also know that there is no way that i could,or would work a site with all my gear up the road from what the video shows. was the one ambulance the only one the town had? because i have worked small towns with less than 15,000 people and they had more than just one?
That is the hardest one for me too. #3. I don’t care to see dead kids like anyone else, and I don’t really want to. None of the coverage has ANY footage of anyone (600 kids and teachers) leaving or entering the building. There were helicopters flying over before the kids were released, but no footage of anyone? Seems strange…
Don’t believe everything u hear on the Internet , ask my cousin how the funeral and wake for one of the little girls killed was, puts things in perspective. I live a few minutes away and personally know several people affected by this tragedy. There is no conspiracy or coverup. Just one sick f$)k who took the lives of innocents children and adults.
Thank you for putting this in such an easy to digest format that the idiots who believe the youtube video might even be able to grasp it. I’m relieved to be able to link people to this page, rather than take to time to refute all of them. Great work.
Okay, I’m still confused. If Chris Manfredonia is the parent that was outside the building who came to make the gingerbread houses, is he the same one in the car in camp pants and black jacket? Or did Mr. Manfredonia get scared and run into the forest with the other guy who once they reached the trees split off to the left, then in his camo pants and black jacket he was taken down then walked back to the police car and sat in the front seat? Wow, I guess he’s lucky he wasnt’ shot when he was running away! That’s crazy. Because this has been so confusing and I really, honestly don’t know what to think can you kind of break it down. So there’s two guys running into the woods. One prone down in front of the school and then a kid that says he saw someone on the ground hand cuffed by the fire station. The radio calls seemed to insinuate they were looking for more than one shooter. So if Adam was in the building and Chris Manfredonia was in the police car who were all the other suspects. Thanks so much. I think it would help a lot of us if we could clear all this up.
Oh, one other thing. Has anyone really run the plate on the car in front of the school and have we had an “official” report releasing who the car really belonged to. Not just an assumption. Thanks again!
Lisa
With all due respect. I think ordinary people do have questions because in every other natural disaster, terrorist attack, serial killing etc. there IS all that film. Not only are there 65 helicopters jockeying for position in the sky everyone and there mother has their cell phone out and is taking pictures. So of course it’s weird because it’s very different from what we are used to. There was no footage of an ambulance in the drive way of the house, there is no photo of a stretcher with a victim. Not that it’s our business to see it but in the past it was plastered in front of our faces during the dinner hour so why this time is there only a small amount of generic footage that only shows people walking or standing around and not a single cell phone pic or video taken by a neighbor, bystander, emergency worker etc. Again, it’s very weird because all of a sudden, in this one instance everything is different. If the case is so cut and dry, single shooter, victims are all dead, there is no one to put to trial. Then why all the secrecy? Those are just some of the simple questions I have. I don’t know if it was a bungled job, or govt involvement or none of the above, I just know something here doesn’t seem right. Thanks again.
FGS, there are people even on here commenting that this is real. Talk about being too trusting. Sandy Hook happened and these people lost their children, wives, sisters, brothers, mothers. It’s horrible that anyone would disrespect the memories of those lost by believing any of this crap.
People! Wake up! It’s not a conspiracy. Sometimes bad things happen and the sooner we wake up and realize this, the chances are we may be able to prevent another tragedy.
Thought you conspiracy theorists should know, the government knows who you are, and they are coming for you. It may be next week, it may be next month, or even next year, but they are coming.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/ssdi-says-adam-lanza-died-a-day-before-sandy-hook-massacre/
If you are claiming that 20 children and 6 adults were not murdered because a website has the death of the shooter misprinted by a day as your “mountain of evidence”, I can see we’re going to have a LONG way to go before you start functioning in reality.
You’re a fucking dipshit, bro. Saying that 9/11, the London Bombings and Sandy Hook were orchestrated together and somehow connecting the three together? Maybe the mother had ties to Al Qaeda. You should look into that.